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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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from australia for science and reason

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yes it's the skeptic's own podcast

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episode number

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710

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for the 15th of may 2022

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richard saunders coming to you from

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sydney australia

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15th of may

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maze halfway done already

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hmm

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coming up on this week's show you can

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count on adrian with adrian hill now you

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might remember last week we told you

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that susan gerbic and adrian hill were

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on a big tour of the east coast of the

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united states visiting little skeptical

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groups

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so susan could give talks i've been

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watching susan's progress throughout

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this past week because she's been live

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streaming her talks to various groups

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and what a joy that is to sit back and

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susan gerber give a talk about guerrilla

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skepticism and her various psychic

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stings

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well a few days ago

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adrian actually left the tour and headed

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she and susan

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visited the ralph c wilson jr

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children's museum in buffalo new york

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and spoke to rebecca glon now rebecca

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is the it and exhibits manager

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can you imagine a better job being an

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i.t and exhibits manager at a children's

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museum

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having to come up and maintain and look

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after all those wacky crazy

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interactive puzzles and toys and games

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experiences designed to help children

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to inspire them with science

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in this interview we learn a bit about

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the museum and rebecca's job and thank

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you very much adrian for being our

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roving reporter this week

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following that well it's a sort of

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follow-up to a story we did a few months

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back about uh

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tarot card readers on

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tick-tock

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modalities of divination and

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where people stream live their

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pendulum readings dowsing rod readings

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bones to

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divine the future or get answers or

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matchsticks very strange

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tick-tock paranormal

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coming up a bit later on in the show

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and then to round off the show back to

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the trove archives back to the digital

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archives from australia

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and we're going to look for references

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in australian published history

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to unsolved

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months because it leaves the heat and

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the humidity of summer behind and we get

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to the stage where we can wear nice warm

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the humidity won't quit don't know what

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poached eggs on toast and a coffee that

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you can count on adrian

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hello everyone this is adrian hill

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reporting from calgary after my

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whirlwind tour with susan gerbic who

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most listeners know from her work with

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grief vampires or psychics and her

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york just outside of the city of buffalo

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susan gerbic gave her a third talk of

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our trip at the center for inquiry or

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cfi headquarters

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there we met a lot of amazing new people

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and i'm hoping to remain friends with

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them for a long time while out at the

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pub afterwards susan asked for

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suggestions for things that we could do

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the following saturday morning

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handed me her business card and asked us

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to visit the explore and more children's

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museum where she worked and she offered

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to give us a private tour this museum

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was completed may 2nd 2019 which as

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everyone knows is just before covet hit

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through the staff's creativity i'm so

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glad to say the museum has survived it

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showcases seven educational play zones

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recreate stories from the buffalo area

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it wasn't just susan and i who showed up

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by will who is hopefully going to be a

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shenanigans but we had such a wonderful

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time and the information that rebecca

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gave us was really fascinating and i

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have a chance to visit it really is an

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amazing museum with or without children

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you just have to have someone like susan

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so rebecca graciously permitted me to

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interview her before and after our tour

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i started the first recording as we were

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is this the haunted part rebecca

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uh my boss here has uh like when we

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fourth floor which is our other set of

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offices and he'd come down he'd be about

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to take the elevator almost on the light

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would flicker on then we'll flick her

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off and then uh we'll you know hear

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snippets of voices just like thanks

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the background we do it's true it must

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museum at the same time

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absolutely not you would never get any

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the only explanation i can see is the

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haunted house yeah haunted museum yes

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yes it's a brand new museum too so why

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would it be hunted that's right

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and i also noticed something when i came

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in here that there's lots of people

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cleaning i guess that's become a really

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important issue after covid yes with

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slobbering over everything because i saw

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some very young kids as well yeah yeah

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we have um we have yuck bags on every

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floor so it's this canvas bag i can

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point it out if you want um any time we

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see you say yuck back correct a yuck bag

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yeah and it's not an australian strange

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a yuck bag i feel like yuck bags should

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anything even gnawing on it uh we're

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like hey friend can we have that the

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heck can we put in the yuck bag and that

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gets thoroughly thoroughly cleaned at

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the end of the day right and obviously

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between those times we would do a deep

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clean of the entire thing still cleaned

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we just kind of got back as we got

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better direction from the cdc and i

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go with right yeah that's really good

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and the other thing that you pointed out

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when we first walked in were the sensory

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and that's really close to my heart i

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have children with tourette syndrome and

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huge sensory issues when they were

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growing up they had nothing like that

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can you explain a little bit about the

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sensory bags they're specifically for

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our kids who are our sensory-faced

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they're they get over simulated a lot so

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different fidget toys

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that's going on externally

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so they can pretty much play

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and discover like with their own selves

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their own mind right

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and the headphones are important because

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of all the it was noisy upstairs very

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noisy lots of kids laughing

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noises from the what they're playing

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with so that could be really

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overwhelming for these kids in the

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headphones do they play music or is it

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just like uh noise canceling what does

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it do yep just a noise dampener okay we

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do have two quiet rooms in the museum we

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have one um on the second floor and the

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fourth floor specifically for that

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purpose so like if they get overwhelmed

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and we also have one of the i think it's

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the second or first friday of every

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it's a time in the in the evening

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specifically for

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families with uh kids on the spectrum

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right and we we actually have a setting

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on our exhibits that we tone down the

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volume and there's a we sell fewer

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tickets so they don't have the huge rush

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of the entire public yeah it's it's like

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we're learning about humans or something

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well thank you and i'm gonna i might

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turn it on again a little later but that

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all right we just finished an amazing

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tour of the museum and i've got rebecca

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back here in her office to ask her some

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follow-up questions because she told us

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some pretty amazing stuff but first of

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all can you tell us where this museum is

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located we're in buffalo new york

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awesome right by the waterfront oh yes

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it's lovely here it's beautiful here we

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we're looking forward to going for lunch

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hopefully on the waterfront i got milk

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yourself rebecca and your background etc

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how you ended up here i manage i t and

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exhibits here at exploring more now i

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just came into that role last fall

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i had previously been

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solely

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well yes i.t and then mostly exhibits

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repair so not as much management about

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talking to vendors and donors and stuff

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but really just what was it whatever was

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on the floor that broke i had to do i

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was in i.t solely for

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pretty much all my life and had always

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been big into crafting outside of it so

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woodworking leatherworking i do a couple

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reenactments and then i've been

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frustrated with the idea at my last job

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and then decided to check out what was

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available in the area and this job came

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up of split it's

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and working on the exhibits and my my

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boss made sure in my interview to say

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it's not just i.t i said yes i'm very

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excited it's a chance to work with kids

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it's pretty pretty nice i love giving

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back to the community and i can't i

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don't get as much chance to do it with

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girl scouts around here like i used to

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but now i get to do it every single day

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as opposed to maybe just on the weekends

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so one of the your duties i understand

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from our talk is you're you look after

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many of the repairs and there's been

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some frustrations some challenges some

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interesting things that have happened

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yeah so one of the displays was supposed

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to have a ping-pong ball in it but

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something had happened with that yeah it

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uh that was the moog exhibit so they're

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a big

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research and development company in the

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western new york area and they came in

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to make this exhibit where you can turn

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a dial that changes the fan speed and

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that will push a ping pong ball up and

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back and forth but it has it has a top

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on the tube and of course some kids take

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the top off the tube the ping-pong ball

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flies out and they get to put in

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whatever they would like and right now

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there's a wiffle ball so it's not it's

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not working too well yes a lot of things

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i guess is trial and error oh yeah you

328
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just never know what's gonna fail and

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some some things are over designed you

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said so they never fail but you're never

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too sure what's gonna fail every day

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yeah the the idea of like you you go

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through an exhibit you think of what's

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going to break easiest you make that

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fairly accessible and still try to make

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it robust and then obviously make as

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much as much as unbreakable as you can

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but you know their kids they're gonna

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they're not gonna think like you will

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exactly it needs to be kid-tested yes

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another thing that i thought was really

342
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interesting that you told us there was a

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sports area and and susan and julia here

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from cfi and i'm going to just interrupt

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julia you tell us your position etc uh

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yes i am the managing editor of

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skeptical inquirer magazine and i've

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been with cfi for 16 years okay she

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raced against susan in the sports

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decision and i lost and she lost

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[Music]

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her beauty

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and it really helps that most

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most of the people on our staff are

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women which is is kind of expected in

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the education industry

357
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but it's not necessarily in science

358
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though it's true it's true

359
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but just just that little change in our

360
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in our demographic has has greatly

361
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increased like what we pay attention to

362
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right as far as what we're giving to

363
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it's wonderful yes it's a it's a really

364
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wonderful museum so rebecca what is the

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age category of children that usually

366
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come through the museum i saw a lot of

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parents that seem to be having a lot

368
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more fun with the displays and the

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children but you know generally what is

370
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the age categories usually our uh

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clientele our families have um

372
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well a wide range of kids generally the

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interest level is around 9 10 is where

374
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it breaks off if you have an older

375
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sibling

376
00:14:19,670 --> 00:14:17,279
who's really involved then it's easier

377
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to get them to to have that same level

378
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of attention but it's generally around

379
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nine or ten awesome well it was great

380
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talking to you rebecca thank you so much

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for the tour and thank you so much and

382
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taking the time it was great meeting you

383
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last night at the

384
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at the event and

385
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and and the offer to come here today

386
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which was

387
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amazing it was amazing and we've had a

388
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blast so thank you so much certainly i

389
00:14:47,189 --> 00:14:43,680
was always glad to share so until next

390
00:14:50,150 --> 00:14:47,199
time this is adrian hill signing off

391
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you both did great

392
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[Music]

393
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hey adrian

394
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hi susan out for some shopping eh yep

395
00:15:16,150 --> 00:15:13,360
i'm stocking up on this imitation maple

396
00:15:17,750 --> 00:15:16,160
syrup from australia imitation

397
00:15:20,389 --> 00:15:17,760
imitation

398
00:15:22,470 --> 00:15:20,399
no no no no you need to buy the real

399
00:15:24,470 --> 00:15:22,480
thing from canada

400
00:15:26,710 --> 00:15:24,480
but i saw the tv commercial and it said

401
00:15:28,389 --> 00:15:26,720
that noted pancake eating expert richard

402
00:15:30,230 --> 00:15:28,399
saunders says it's the best maple syrup

403
00:15:32,470 --> 00:15:30,240
money can buy and sixty percent of

404
00:15:35,350 --> 00:15:32,480
people preferred in a blind taste test

405
00:15:38,389 --> 00:15:35,360
everyone knows it's the best oh come on

406
00:15:41,350 --> 00:15:38,399
susan you know better than that that's

407
00:15:44,550 --> 00:15:41,360
the argument from authority it is

408
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or is it the argument from popularity

409
00:15:48,069 --> 00:15:46,160
hmm

410
00:15:50,389 --> 00:15:48,079
it might be another logical fallacy i'm

411
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not sure really if only we had a way of

412
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[Music]

413
00:16:03,509 --> 00:16:01,279
hello everyone oh my it's the skeptical

414
00:16:05,990 --> 00:16:03,519
fairy godmother angel from the internet

415
00:16:09,189 --> 00:16:06,000
yes that's right but how did you know

416
00:16:10,389 --> 00:16:09,199
who i am i listened to the skeptic zone

417
00:16:12,790 --> 00:16:10,399
podcast

418
00:16:14,389 --> 00:16:12,800
also didn't you used to be the tooth

419
00:16:15,829 --> 00:16:14,399
fairy oh

420
00:16:18,310 --> 00:16:15,839
yes

421
00:16:21,350 --> 00:16:18,320
i remember you

422
00:16:24,710 --> 00:16:21,360
i'll never forget your left upper

423
00:16:25,910 --> 00:16:24,720
lateral incisor would you like it back

424
00:16:27,350 --> 00:16:25,920
no

425
00:16:29,430 --> 00:16:27,360
it's okay

426
00:16:30,949 --> 00:16:29,440
you keep it hey skeptical fairy

427
00:16:33,509 --> 00:16:30,959
godmother angel what are you doing here

428
00:16:36,230 --> 00:16:33,519
in the supermarket i've come to tell you

429
00:16:39,030 --> 00:16:36,240
that you can find out about 40 different

430
00:16:41,110 --> 00:16:39,040
logical fallacies on youtube in one

431
00:16:43,189 --> 00:16:41,120
handy location

432
00:16:45,749 --> 00:16:43,199
listen to each one to hear an

433
00:16:49,110 --> 00:16:45,759
explanation and examples of how they

434
00:16:55,990 --> 00:16:52,990
just go to tinyurl.com

435
00:16:58,150 --> 00:16:56,000
logicalzone and you'll find all the

436
00:17:01,269 --> 00:16:58,160
logical fallacies with michelle

437
00:17:03,430 --> 00:17:01,279
bickersmart with handy time codes to get

438
00:17:05,029 --> 00:17:03,440
to the exact one you want who is

439
00:17:07,590 --> 00:17:05,039
michelle bigesma

440
00:17:10,470 --> 00:17:07,600
um just a friend of mine

441
00:17:11,990 --> 00:17:10,480
tinyurl.com

442
00:17:13,909 --> 00:17:12,000
logicalzone

443
00:17:14,789 --> 00:17:13,919
thank you skeptical fairy godmother

444
00:17:16,789 --> 00:17:14,799
angel

445
00:17:18,949 --> 00:17:16,799
i guess you'll disappear in a puff of

446
00:17:20,069 --> 00:17:18,959
smoke and thunder now eh

447
00:17:22,870 --> 00:17:20,079
um

448
00:17:23,909 --> 00:17:22,880
not quite yet i have a bit of shopping

449
00:17:25,029 --> 00:17:23,919
to do

450
00:17:26,390 --> 00:17:25,039
susan

451
00:17:29,190 --> 00:17:26,400
yes

452
00:17:30,870 --> 00:17:29,200
where do i find the australian maple

453
00:17:33,669 --> 00:17:30,880
syrup hmm

454
00:17:37,270 --> 00:17:33,679
what no no no no come with me so-called

455
00:17:48,190 --> 00:17:37,280
skeptical fairy this is real maple syrup

456
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[Music]

457
00:18:02,470 --> 00:18:01,600
now you may remember that last year on

458
00:18:05,029 --> 00:18:02,480
the

459
00:18:06,430 --> 00:18:05,039
26th of september which would be skeptic

460
00:18:07,990 --> 00:18:06,440
zone number

461
00:18:09,510 --> 00:18:08,000
677

462
00:18:12,230 --> 00:18:09,520
i did a story

463
00:18:15,350 --> 00:18:12,240
called tick-tock tarot

464
00:18:17,110 --> 00:18:15,360
and reading from my own show notes

465
00:18:19,590 --> 00:18:17,120
i look at the number of hundreds of tick

466
00:18:21,510 --> 00:18:19,600
tockers taking to tarot cards

467
00:18:23,750 --> 00:18:21,520
what do they have in common and why is

468
00:18:26,470 --> 00:18:23,760
it so popular now that was me having a

469
00:18:28,470 --> 00:18:26,480
look at live tick tocks to see how many

470
00:18:30,710 --> 00:18:28,480
were doing tarot

471
00:18:33,110 --> 00:18:30,720
and examples of

472
00:18:35,350 --> 00:18:33,120
some of those readings so today i

473
00:18:37,909 --> 00:18:35,360
thought i'd go back to tiktok

474
00:18:40,710 --> 00:18:37,919
and look for other

475
00:18:42,630 --> 00:18:40,720
areas of the psychic and the paranormal

476
00:18:45,029 --> 00:18:42,640
people doing live

477
00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:45,039
readings and i've come across quite an

478
00:18:47,510 --> 00:18:46,410
interesting cross-section of

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[Music]

480
00:18:49,909 --> 00:18:48,320
well

481
00:18:51,990 --> 00:18:49,919
interesting

482
00:18:53,909 --> 00:18:52,000
modalities

483
00:18:54,789 --> 00:18:53,919
now bear in mind that most of these

484
00:18:56,630 --> 00:18:54,799
people

485
00:18:57,669 --> 00:18:56,640
have something in the background that

486
00:18:59,430 --> 00:18:57,679
says

487
00:19:01,909 --> 00:18:59,440
you can pay me here

488
00:19:03,350 --> 00:19:01,919
either by cash app which is something we

489
00:19:04,470 --> 00:19:03,360
don't have in australia i don't think

490
00:19:06,150 --> 00:19:04,480
paypal

491
00:19:08,549 --> 00:19:06,160
venmo which again is something i don't

492
00:19:11,110 --> 00:19:08,559
think we have here in australia

493
00:19:13,350 --> 00:19:11,120
but the idea is that you um interact

494
00:19:15,350 --> 00:19:13,360
with these people while they're live

495
00:19:17,270 --> 00:19:15,360
they set up their camera so it's

496
00:19:18,710 --> 00:19:17,280
facing them and they're doing whatever

497
00:19:20,310 --> 00:19:18,720
they do

498
00:19:22,310 --> 00:19:20,320
live to the camera

499
00:19:23,669 --> 00:19:22,320
life to the world and you can ask them

500
00:19:24,390 --> 00:19:23,679
questions

501
00:19:26,230 --> 00:19:24,400
and

502
00:19:28,150 --> 00:19:26,240
i think the important thing for many of

503
00:19:29,669 --> 00:19:28,160
these people of course is that you

504
00:19:31,510 --> 00:19:29,679
shoot them a little bit of money so you

505
00:19:33,590 --> 00:19:31,520
get to the top of the queue

506
00:19:34,789 --> 00:19:33,600
or your questions are answered and so

507
00:19:36,950 --> 00:19:34,799
forth

508
00:19:39,270 --> 00:19:36,960
now what i discovered was that

509
00:19:41,990 --> 00:19:39,280
the majority of these sort of things

510
00:19:44,150 --> 00:19:42,000
these so-called readings are

511
00:19:45,190 --> 00:19:44,160
more or less stock standard barnum

512
00:19:47,669 --> 00:19:45,200
statements

513
00:19:49,750 --> 00:19:47,679
although some of them are yes and no in

514
00:19:51,590 --> 00:19:49,760
other words you supply a question and

515
00:19:53,510 --> 00:19:51,600
someone will wave a pendulum dowsing

516
00:19:55,430 --> 00:19:53,520
rods or other devices and say well

517
00:19:57,669 --> 00:19:55,440
that's a yes or that's a no my spirit's

518
00:19:59,350 --> 00:19:57,679
saying yes my spirit's saying no

519
00:20:01,990 --> 00:19:59,360
now what's very interesting of course is

520
00:20:04,070 --> 00:20:02,000
when you look at all these um

521
00:20:06,789 --> 00:20:04,080
users using their uh

522
00:20:08,310 --> 00:20:06,799
in the case of pendulums or divining

523
00:20:11,990 --> 00:20:08,320
rods especially

524
00:20:13,110 --> 00:20:12,000
you can clearly see the edo motor action

525
00:20:15,830 --> 00:20:13,120
in action

526
00:20:17,830 --> 00:20:15,840
in other words when you look in there

527
00:20:20,070 --> 00:20:17,840
receiving their messages from spirit or

528
00:20:22,149 --> 00:20:20,080
earth energies or whatever they claim

529
00:20:24,789 --> 00:20:22,159
you can clearly see their hands moving

530
00:20:26,470 --> 00:20:24,799
with pendulums their hands will move in

531
00:20:28,549 --> 00:20:26,480
such a way that the pendulum will swing

532
00:20:30,870 --> 00:20:28,559
one way or the other with divining rods

533
00:20:32,390 --> 00:20:30,880
of course it's much more subtle

534
00:20:34,390 --> 00:20:32,400
but if you know what to look for you can

535
00:20:37,110 --> 00:20:34,400
see the hands

536
00:20:39,430 --> 00:20:37,120
twitching and angling in the way to make

537
00:20:41,750 --> 00:20:39,440
the divining rods move

538
00:20:43,430 --> 00:20:41,760
and of course what's very interesting

539
00:20:46,710 --> 00:20:43,440
indeed is they

540
00:20:48,549 --> 00:20:46,720
presumably they have no idea that

541
00:20:50,710 --> 00:20:48,559
that's going on

542
00:20:53,029 --> 00:20:50,720
so let's look at the first one the first

543
00:20:55,510 --> 00:20:53,039
one i came across she's using a pendulum

544
00:20:58,310 --> 00:20:55,520
this is sandy sands

545
00:21:00,870 --> 00:20:58,320
sandy sands using a pendulum

546
00:21:03,110 --> 00:21:00,880
and according to the comments here

547
00:21:04,789 --> 00:21:03,120
people are shooting her

548
00:21:07,830 --> 00:21:04,799
uh some money

549
00:21:09,909 --> 00:21:07,840
in fact five dollars it appears

550
00:21:12,070 --> 00:21:09,919
to me to get a reading let's have a

551
00:21:15,990 --> 00:21:12,080
listen

552
00:21:19,430 --> 00:21:16,000
does omar have feelings for hey

553
00:21:21,350 --> 00:21:19,440
does omar have feelings for a haiya

554
00:21:24,870 --> 00:21:21,360
i'm so sorry i've got to know

555
00:21:27,350 --> 00:21:24,880
is corey faithful to amanda

556
00:21:28,830 --> 00:21:27,360
thank you for that is corey

557
00:21:31,909 --> 00:21:28,840
faithful

558
00:21:34,549 --> 00:21:31,919
yes will stacy be successful in her new

559
00:21:36,630 --> 00:21:34,559
business thank you for the gift stacey

560
00:21:38,710 --> 00:21:36,640
will stacy be successful in her new

561
00:21:39,590 --> 00:21:38,720
business

562
00:21:41,350 --> 00:21:39,600
yes

563
00:21:42,789 --> 00:21:41,360
should john sell the house and move to

564
00:21:44,870 --> 00:21:42,799
the mountain

565
00:21:47,110 --> 00:21:44,880
should john sell the house and move to

566
00:21:49,270 --> 00:21:47,120
the mountain

567
00:21:51,029 --> 00:21:49,280
no

568
00:21:53,270 --> 00:21:51,039
that's so funny

569
00:21:54,549 --> 00:21:53,280
it's no no no john

570
00:21:56,710 --> 00:21:54,559
and of course the interesting thing

571
00:21:58,390 --> 00:21:56,720
about watching that is seeing the idiom

572
00:22:00,789 --> 00:21:58,400
motor in action with

573
00:22:02,950 --> 00:22:00,799
her hand directing the pendulum quite

574
00:22:05,029 --> 00:22:02,960
plainly

575
00:22:07,029 --> 00:22:05,039
the next one we come across is something

576
00:22:08,549 --> 00:22:07,039
very interesting indeed something i

577
00:22:11,029 --> 00:22:08,559
haven't seen before

578
00:22:13,669 --> 00:22:11,039
and this is a user called sleepy forest

579
00:22:16,710 --> 00:22:13,679
dweller now we can't see

580
00:22:17,669 --> 00:22:16,720
sleepy forest dweller's face what we do

581
00:22:19,029 --> 00:22:17,679
see

582
00:22:21,110 --> 00:22:19,039
is a

583
00:22:23,029 --> 00:22:21,120
like a circular green

584
00:22:25,110 --> 00:22:23,039
grass mat or something like that it's

585
00:22:27,510 --> 00:22:25,120
hard to tell exactly what it is it's

586
00:22:29,830 --> 00:22:27,520
about 40 centimeters across it's a yes

587
00:22:31,430 --> 00:22:29,840
or no reading and these readings are

588
00:22:33,029 --> 00:22:31,440
divined

589
00:22:34,630 --> 00:22:33,039
by the throwing

590
00:22:36,230 --> 00:22:34,640
of four

591
00:22:38,830 --> 00:22:36,240
bones

592
00:22:43,590 --> 00:22:41,750
listen thank you for the roses guys

593
00:22:46,070 --> 00:22:43,600
thank you

594
00:22:47,190 --> 00:22:46,080
catherine will you go to your aunt's

595
00:22:48,789 --> 00:22:47,200
wedding

596
00:22:50,870 --> 00:22:48,799
will you get to go to your aunt's

597
00:22:52,549 --> 00:22:50,880
wedding

598
00:22:56,870 --> 00:22:52,559
oh i'm getting a no

599
00:23:01,590 --> 00:22:59,830
thank you for the tick tock

600
00:23:03,029 --> 00:23:01,600
brianna will your tech

601
00:23:06,149 --> 00:23:03,039
text

602
00:23:08,710 --> 00:23:06,159
brie anna will your ex-best friend will

603
00:23:12,470 --> 00:23:08,720
your ex and your best friend break up oh

604
00:23:17,990 --> 00:23:15,270
yes they will break up

605
00:23:20,630 --> 00:23:18,000
but why is your friend dating your ex

606
00:23:21,909 --> 00:23:20,640
not a great friend

607
00:23:25,669 --> 00:23:21,919
both of them are at fault for that

608
00:23:32,470 --> 00:23:29,270
hannah have you met your future spouse

609
00:23:35,590 --> 00:23:32,480
no you have not met them yet

610
00:23:37,190 --> 00:23:35,600
carol is see your soul mate

611
00:23:40,630 --> 00:23:37,200
yes

612
00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:44,549
faith are you going to date jay-z

613
00:23:51,830 --> 00:23:47,110
no

614
00:23:53,909 --> 00:23:51,840
positive answers are given when two

615
00:23:55,830 --> 00:23:53,919
bones happen to touch when she throws

616
00:23:58,070 --> 00:23:55,840
the four bones onto the mat and a

617
00:23:59,990 --> 00:23:58,080
negative answer is given when the bones

618
00:24:01,990 --> 00:24:00,000
are separated

619
00:24:03,269 --> 00:24:02,000
however i will say that

620
00:24:05,990 --> 00:24:03,279
in this case

621
00:24:08,149 --> 00:24:06,000
you can shoot her a few dollars if you

622
00:24:10,149 --> 00:24:08,159
wish but at least she's doing most of

623
00:24:11,669 --> 00:24:10,159
her readings for free

624
00:24:14,230 --> 00:24:11,679
our next uh

625
00:24:17,830 --> 00:24:14,240
divination comes from a user called

626
00:24:19,909 --> 00:24:17,840
taurus moon official 31 now taurus moon

627
00:24:21,510 --> 00:24:19,919
official 31 has a very interesting

628
00:24:23,110 --> 00:24:21,520
device

629
00:24:25,269 --> 00:24:23,120
it's

630
00:24:27,510 --> 00:24:25,279
based on magnets

631
00:24:29,830 --> 00:24:27,520
so there's a little bowl maybe about

632
00:24:31,750 --> 00:24:29,840
five or six centimeters across

633
00:24:34,549 --> 00:24:31,760
and inside the little bowl which looks

634
00:24:36,310 --> 00:24:34,559
like it's made out of plaster

635
00:24:40,789 --> 00:24:36,320
uh four

636
00:24:42,470 --> 00:24:40,799
distinct areas and written on them are

637
00:24:43,510 --> 00:24:42,480
you decide

638
00:24:45,269 --> 00:24:43,520
no

639
00:24:47,110 --> 00:24:45,279
probably

640
00:24:48,230 --> 00:24:47,120
ask friend

641
00:24:50,230 --> 00:24:48,240
yes

642
00:24:52,390 --> 00:24:50,240
and unlikely

643
00:24:55,430 --> 00:24:52,400
and the way the

644
00:24:58,390 --> 00:24:55,440
spirits communicate or who knows what

645
00:25:01,269 --> 00:24:58,400
is to guide a little pendulum which is

646
00:25:03,510 --> 00:25:01,279
swung over the magnets

647
00:25:05,669 --> 00:25:03,520
and the pendulum has a magnet in it too

648
00:25:07,830 --> 00:25:05,679
so it swings widely about until one of

649
00:25:09,269 --> 00:25:07,840
the magnetic fields attracts it enough

650
00:25:11,830 --> 00:25:09,279
so it stops so

651
00:25:20,549 --> 00:25:11,840
let's have a listen

652
00:25:24,630 --> 00:25:22,950
ah thank you so much shelby grace for

653
00:25:27,269 --> 00:25:24,640
your lovely handheld

654
00:25:28,310 --> 00:25:27,279
it was an ask a friend for you shelby

655
00:25:31,269 --> 00:25:28,320
thank you for your question i'm going to

656
00:25:33,269 --> 00:25:31,279
spin it now for you number 80 guys let's

657
00:25:34,470 --> 00:25:33,279
get down into the 70s now that'll be

658
00:25:36,470 --> 00:25:34,480
insane

659
00:25:38,230 --> 00:25:36,480
a thousand um

660
00:25:40,789 --> 00:25:38,240
is it a thousand

661
00:25:42,549 --> 00:25:40,799
it isn't ask a friend darling yeah one

662
00:25:44,390 --> 00:25:42,559
thousand diamonds to reach place number

663
00:25:46,710 --> 00:25:44,400
79.

664
00:25:49,269 --> 00:25:46,720
am i cancer am i right let's have a look

665
00:25:54,070 --> 00:25:52,070
ah thank you angel you're a sweetheart

666
00:25:56,390 --> 00:25:54,080
you are an angel

667
00:25:58,789 --> 00:25:56,400
let's have a look it's an ask a friend

668
00:26:00,149 --> 00:25:58,799
uh jacintha is my grandma watching over

669
00:26:01,669 --> 00:26:00,159
me i'm not going to spin it for that but

670
00:26:03,510 --> 00:26:01,679
i'm going to say of course ask for a

671
00:26:13,909 --> 00:26:03,520
sign if you'd like a sign

672
00:26:17,350 --> 00:26:16,070
your answer my darling it's a yes it's a

673
00:26:19,430 --> 00:26:17,360
yes

674
00:26:21,029 --> 00:26:19,440
ali's fizzing bling thank you so much

675
00:26:22,549 --> 00:26:21,039
for your lovely han heart i hope you're

676
00:26:23,750 --> 00:26:22,559
having a lovely wednesday i want you to

677
00:26:28,630 --> 00:26:23,760
think of your question i'm going to spin

678
00:26:32,549 --> 00:26:30,470
let's have a look what's your answer

679
00:26:34,390 --> 00:26:32,559
going to be

680
00:26:35,590 --> 00:26:34,400
your answer isn't unlikely darling i

681
00:26:36,870 --> 00:26:35,600
hope that's the answer that you were

682
00:26:39,190 --> 00:26:36,880
looking for

683
00:26:40,390 --> 00:26:39,200
what i will say about uh taurus moon

684
00:26:42,950 --> 00:26:40,400
official

685
00:26:44,390 --> 00:26:42,960
is that she has some

686
00:26:47,510 --> 00:26:44,400
uh

687
00:26:50,710 --> 00:26:47,520
signs just behind this device that says

688
00:26:52,710 --> 00:26:50,720
yes no questions type name and star sign

689
00:26:55,750 --> 00:26:52,720
free session gifts appreciated for

690
00:26:58,470 --> 00:26:55,760
entertainment purposes only no pregnancy

691
00:27:00,789 --> 00:26:58,480
fertility or health questions over 18s

692
00:27:02,310 --> 00:27:00,799
only well fair enough

693
00:27:04,149 --> 00:27:02,320
and i have to say there is a certain

694
00:27:06,470 --> 00:27:04,159
amount of entertainment in these things

695
00:27:08,470 --> 00:27:06,480
it's it's interesting to watch

696
00:27:10,149 --> 00:27:08,480
it's interesting to watch

697
00:27:12,070 --> 00:27:10,159
our next

698
00:27:14,149 --> 00:27:12,080
form of divination is one i've never

699
00:27:16,549 --> 00:27:14,159
seen before and this is from a user

700
00:27:18,950 --> 00:27:16,559
called psychic eye center

701
00:27:22,310 --> 00:27:18,960
now what this particular lady does is

702
00:27:24,230 --> 00:27:22,320
she has two huge matchsticks bigger than

703
00:27:27,029 --> 00:27:24,240
i've ever seen

704
00:27:28,630 --> 00:27:27,039
uh possibly much bigger than the

705
00:27:30,149 --> 00:27:28,640
barbecue matchsticks you might be

706
00:27:32,549 --> 00:27:30,159
familiar with which are oversized

707
00:27:36,149 --> 00:27:32,559
matchsticks for lighting barbecues

708
00:27:39,510 --> 00:27:36,159
and she uh gets two of these matchsticks

709
00:27:42,149 --> 00:27:39,520
turns them end up so the uh the end away

710
00:27:44,710 --> 00:27:42,159
from the strike head is facing down

711
00:27:47,110 --> 00:27:44,720
places them into a small

712
00:27:48,789 --> 00:27:47,120
container of salt or sand or something

713
00:27:50,789 --> 00:27:48,799
so they stick upright

714
00:27:52,789 --> 00:27:50,799
and lights the ends

715
00:27:55,029 --> 00:27:52,799
and uses the resulting

716
00:27:56,870 --> 00:27:55,039
pattern as the flame burns down the

717
00:27:57,909 --> 00:27:56,880
matchsticks to gain her mystical

718
00:27:59,990 --> 00:27:57,919
insights

719
00:28:03,350 --> 00:28:00,000
and the sign on the wall behind her says

720
00:28:05,029 --> 00:28:03,360
welcome manifesting love twin flame

721
00:28:07,269 --> 00:28:05,039
match readings

722
00:28:09,990 --> 00:28:07,279
let's listen in

723
00:28:12,070 --> 00:28:10,000
so alina this is going to be your match

724
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:12,080
and this is going to be your partner's

725
00:28:24,789 --> 00:28:23,750
[Music]

726
00:28:28,830 --> 00:28:24,799
okay

727
00:28:37,350 --> 00:28:32,070
flame which is very good the flame is

728
00:28:43,350 --> 00:28:40,389
i'm not seeing a lot of third-party

729
00:28:46,070 --> 00:28:43,360
interferences in this relationship so

730
00:28:48,789 --> 00:28:46,080
that is very good i am seeing that your

731
00:28:51,669 --> 00:28:48,799
partner is leaning towards you

732
00:28:54,149 --> 00:28:51,679
and at times you you feel the need to

733
00:28:56,230 --> 00:28:54,159
pull away i'm not sensing because you're

734
00:28:58,710 --> 00:28:56,240
not feeling a connection but i'm sensing

735
00:29:00,389 --> 00:28:58,720
just because you're more type of person

736
00:29:03,430 --> 00:29:00,399
that needs your own

737
00:29:06,070 --> 00:29:03,440
space and at times your partner can kind

738
00:29:08,549 --> 00:29:06,080
of be clingy and because of that

739
00:29:10,870 --> 00:29:08,559
you try to pull away and then

740
00:29:12,870 --> 00:29:10,880
your partner pulls away and it's kind of

741
00:29:15,669 --> 00:29:12,880
like this little game between the two of

742
00:29:21,190 --> 00:29:17,909
but i am definitely picking up a strong

743
00:29:23,669 --> 00:29:21,200
connection um i wouldn't necessarily say

744
00:29:25,909 --> 00:29:23,679
that this is a twin flame connection

745
00:29:27,350 --> 00:29:25,919
definitely a soul mate connection and

746
00:29:29,029 --> 00:29:27,360
something very

747
00:29:30,549 --> 00:29:29,039
very positive

748
00:29:32,389 --> 00:29:30,559
uh like i said i'm not seeing any

749
00:29:33,830 --> 00:29:32,399
interferences in this

750
00:29:36,070 --> 00:29:33,840
so this was and it seems like the

751
00:29:38,310 --> 00:29:36,080
matches were burning at the same level

752
00:29:40,470 --> 00:29:38,320
so the two of you are at the same pace

753
00:29:42,870 --> 00:29:40,480
uh you know on the same page

754
00:29:45,190 --> 00:29:42,880
you know expecting this relationship to

755
00:29:47,350 --> 00:29:45,200
go the same way

756
00:29:49,510 --> 00:29:47,360
so maybe you'll agree with me in

757
00:29:50,710 --> 00:29:49,520
thinking that uh that's pretty stock

758
00:29:52,950 --> 00:29:50,720
standard

759
00:29:55,269 --> 00:29:52,960
um barnum statement sort of stuff

760
00:29:56,950 --> 00:29:55,279
generalizations and

761
00:29:59,110 --> 00:29:56,960
i wonder where she thinks that advice is

762
00:30:00,630 --> 00:29:59,120
coming from the spirits directing the

763
00:30:03,029 --> 00:30:00,640
flames maybe

764
00:30:05,669 --> 00:30:03,039
now we have a few more to do

765
00:30:09,110 --> 00:30:05,679
and this is an interesting one this is a

766
00:30:10,389 --> 00:30:09,120
user called diane underscore white raven

767
00:30:12,549 --> 00:30:10,399
66

768
00:30:14,710 --> 00:30:12,559
and diane is going to tell us how

769
00:30:16,710 --> 00:30:14,720
divining rods work

770
00:30:17,750 --> 00:30:16,720
so this is an interesting one let's have

771
00:30:21,510 --> 00:30:17,760
a listen

772
00:30:24,149 --> 00:30:21,520
i am a medium i can connect with the

773
00:30:24,159 --> 00:30:28,149
i do use

774
00:30:31,350 --> 00:30:30,230
pendulums as you see a lot of people

775
00:30:33,190 --> 00:30:31,360
here

776
00:30:37,190 --> 00:30:33,200
on tiktok will use

777
00:30:38,630 --> 00:30:37,200
but my tool of choice actually are

778
00:30:40,470 --> 00:30:38,640
divining rods

779
00:30:42,310 --> 00:30:40,480
okay so here's how

780
00:30:45,990 --> 00:30:42,320
the rods work

781
00:30:49,909 --> 00:30:48,310
so we're going to level them out here

782
00:30:54,389 --> 00:30:49,919
they are perfectly straight and you will

783
00:30:57,350 --> 00:30:56,149
somebody's very excited to come through

784
00:30:59,590 --> 00:30:57,360
here

785
00:31:03,110 --> 00:30:59,600
you will see i am not going to move my

786
00:31:06,870 --> 00:31:04,950
there we go okay so the rods are

787
00:31:11,190 --> 00:31:06,880
perfectly straight

788
00:31:13,750 --> 00:31:11,200
uh you can feel when there's uh energy

789
00:31:15,509 --> 00:31:13,760
the rods will go back and forth as

790
00:31:16,630 --> 00:31:15,519
they're doing right now

791
00:31:19,669 --> 00:31:16,640
um

792
00:31:22,070 --> 00:31:19,679
when the rods cross over it's a no

793
00:31:23,509 --> 00:31:22,080
and i am not doing that you can see my

794
00:31:26,389 --> 00:31:23,519
hands are perfectly

795
00:31:28,549 --> 00:31:26,399
still but somebody is very excited to

796
00:31:32,549 --> 00:31:28,559
get this show on the road here and when

797
00:31:35,029 --> 00:31:32,559
the rods open up it's a yes

798
00:31:36,870 --> 00:31:35,039
and there you go we're getting a yes so

799
00:31:39,990 --> 00:31:36,880
go back to center please

800
00:31:41,990 --> 00:31:40,000
uh is that is that gary showing us

801
00:31:44,710 --> 00:31:42,000
that's gary

802
00:31:46,710 --> 00:31:44,720
he is very expressive

803
00:31:48,789 --> 00:31:46,720
he's very happy to be here are you very

804
00:31:53,269 --> 00:31:48,799
happy to be here with us yeah

805
00:31:55,029 --> 00:31:53,279
so um a little bit about um how i

806
00:31:57,909 --> 00:31:55,039
work um

807
00:31:59,990 --> 00:31:57,919
is that i am a medium i do get uh

808
00:32:01,830 --> 00:32:00,000
impressions i get

809
00:32:03,669 --> 00:32:01,840
numbers symbols

810
00:32:06,389 --> 00:32:03,679
um signs

811
00:32:07,590 --> 00:32:06,399
uh words names

812
00:32:11,830 --> 00:32:07,600
sometimes

813
00:32:13,750 --> 00:32:11,840
yes yes i do i i know i do okay

814
00:32:16,230 --> 00:32:13,760
now i will say the fascinating the

815
00:32:18,950 --> 00:32:16,240
fascinating thing about that particular

816
00:32:20,950 --> 00:32:18,960
user and the clip i was watching

817
00:32:22,630 --> 00:32:20,960
is that when she's explaining how her

818
00:32:25,190 --> 00:32:22,640
hands are perfectly still and she's not

819
00:32:27,750 --> 00:32:25,200
moving them you can clearly see

820
00:32:30,470 --> 00:32:27,760
she's moving her hands but i would bet

821
00:32:32,389 --> 00:32:30,480
my bottom dollar that she honestly and

822
00:32:35,269 --> 00:32:32,399
sincerely thinks her hands are still and

823
00:32:37,669 --> 00:32:35,279
the rods are moving all by themselves

824
00:32:39,029 --> 00:32:37,679
now we have a user by the name of viking

825
00:32:41,110 --> 00:32:39,039
sensei

826
00:32:43,509 --> 00:32:41,120
now this video isn't live in fact it was

827
00:32:46,310 --> 00:32:43,519
recorded last year but it's it's a gem

828
00:32:48,630 --> 00:32:46,320
it really is so viking sensei

829
00:32:50,870 --> 00:32:48,640
is showing us how divining rods work

830
00:32:51,909 --> 00:32:50,880
he's a middle-aged man

831
00:32:55,190 --> 00:32:51,919
in his

832
00:32:57,269 --> 00:32:55,200
back garden i would presume and he has

833
00:32:59,669 --> 00:32:57,279
his divining rods and he's going to show

834
00:33:01,669 --> 00:32:59,679
us how to test

835
00:33:03,590 --> 00:33:01,679
divining rods

836
00:33:05,830 --> 00:33:03,600
i started the degaussing rod experiment

837
00:33:09,190 --> 00:33:05,840
with this large metal target as i

838
00:33:10,710 --> 00:33:09,200
approached the target my rods crossed up

839
00:33:13,029 --> 00:33:10,720
there was something in the yard that i

840
00:33:15,430 --> 00:33:13,039
did not know about i reset and

841
00:33:18,549 --> 00:33:15,440
approached the target again

842
00:33:21,669 --> 00:33:18,559
as they crossed up directly below it

843
00:33:26,230 --> 00:33:24,710
next i set the target to one side

844
00:33:28,789 --> 00:33:26,240
as i approached

845
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:28,799
both rods slew to the left and pointed

846
00:33:33,350 --> 00:33:31,090
directly at the target

847
00:33:34,710 --> 00:33:33,360
[Music]

848
00:33:37,269 --> 00:33:34,720
and there you have it

849
00:33:38,870 --> 00:33:37,279
so to to describe the scene for you he

850
00:33:40,870 --> 00:33:38,880
has a large

851
00:33:43,269 --> 00:33:40,880
metal bit of junk i don't know what it

852
00:33:45,750 --> 00:33:43,279
is he drops it on the ground walks back

853
00:33:48,470 --> 00:33:45,760
walks towards this large metal object

854
00:33:50,470 --> 00:33:48,480
and his divining rods react

855
00:33:51,509 --> 00:33:50,480
as he gets closer and stands over the

856
00:33:55,590 --> 00:33:51,519
object

857
00:33:57,509 --> 00:33:55,600
walks back again and as he approaches

858
00:33:58,549 --> 00:33:57,519
his dividing rods point towards the

859
00:34:00,310 --> 00:33:58,559
object

860
00:34:01,830 --> 00:34:00,320
so in his mind

861
00:34:03,669 --> 00:34:01,840
that was a real test a real

862
00:34:04,950 --> 00:34:03,679
demonstration of how the rods can

863
00:34:07,430 --> 00:34:04,960
actually find

864
00:34:09,430 --> 00:34:07,440
objects even though he was staring right

865
00:34:11,990 --> 00:34:09,440
at the object and he knew where it was

866
00:34:14,470 --> 00:34:12,000
all the time but let's finish this off

867
00:34:16,710 --> 00:34:14,480
with another pre-recorded bit about

868
00:34:18,389 --> 00:34:16,720
water divining or dividing or dowsing or

869
00:34:19,669 --> 00:34:18,399
dowsing rods

870
00:34:21,750 --> 00:34:19,679
and this one

871
00:34:22,790 --> 00:34:21,760
is from someone you might have heard of

872
00:34:24,470 --> 00:34:22,800
before

873
00:34:25,270 --> 00:34:24,480
this is a tick tock

874
00:34:27,030 --> 00:34:25,280
from

875
00:34:29,589 --> 00:34:27,040
psychic investigator paranormal

876
00:34:31,030 --> 00:34:29,599
investigator skeptical investigator

877
00:34:33,349 --> 00:34:31,040
kenny biddle

878
00:34:36,470 --> 00:34:33,359
hey tech talk so i've done a couple of

879
00:34:38,389 --> 00:34:36,480
videos on dowsing rods and offered at

880
00:34:39,750 --> 00:34:38,399
least one way to test them to see if

881
00:34:41,750 --> 00:34:39,760
they're actually working or not and i'm

882
00:34:43,829 --> 00:34:41,760
gonna i'm gonna get to a second one um

883
00:34:44,950 --> 00:34:43,839
later on but

884
00:34:46,389 --> 00:34:44,960
i've gotten a lot of comments where

885
00:34:48,230 --> 00:34:46,399
people say that they can definitely find

886
00:34:50,069 --> 00:34:48,240
water and minerals and all kinds of

887
00:34:52,389 --> 00:34:50,079
stuff and they really really work

888
00:34:54,470 --> 00:34:52,399
i don't think so so

889
00:34:56,389 --> 00:34:54,480
if you really think you can do this

890
00:34:59,589 --> 00:34:56,399
i want to i want to show you something

891
00:35:01,990 --> 00:34:59,599
so if you go to cfiig.org

892
00:35:04,390 --> 00:35:02,000
and search for 250 000 challenge you'll

893
00:35:07,030 --> 00:35:04,400
find this page and it says here that the

894
00:35:09,589 --> 00:35:07,040
los angeles based uh organization offers

895
00:35:11,430 --> 00:35:09,599
a 250 000 prize to anyone who can show

896
00:35:13,190 --> 00:35:11,440
under scientific testing conditions

897
00:35:16,310 --> 00:35:13,200
significant evidence of any paranormal

898
00:35:18,390 --> 00:35:16,320
supernatural or occult power this

899
00:35:20,310 --> 00:35:18,400
includes your alleged ability to find

900
00:35:22,870 --> 00:35:20,320
water and minerals and other stuff with

901
00:35:25,589 --> 00:35:22,880
dowsing rods or dividing rods so i

902
00:35:27,349 --> 00:35:25,599
encourage you look them up sign up you

903
00:35:31,109 --> 00:35:27,359
can apply right there online and take

904
00:35:33,910 --> 00:35:31,119
the challenge and 250 000 and that uh

905
00:35:37,030 --> 00:35:33,920
particular channel from kenny biddle is

906
00:35:40,230 --> 00:35:37,040
kenny middle 42

907
00:35:42,710 --> 00:35:40,240
and that video was recorded last year

908
00:35:45,589 --> 00:35:42,720
so there you go and that's simply a tiny

909
00:35:48,230 --> 00:35:45,599
amount of the mostly live psychic

910
00:35:49,589 --> 00:35:48,240
readings going on at any hour of the day

911
00:35:51,030 --> 00:35:49,599
or night

912
00:35:52,790 --> 00:35:51,040
in tiktok

913
00:35:53,910 --> 00:35:52,800
there must be hundreds of people at any

914
00:35:55,990 --> 00:35:53,920
one moment

915
00:35:58,950 --> 00:35:56,000
streaming their psychic visions most are

916
00:36:01,030 --> 00:35:58,960
tarot cards as we reported last year

917
00:36:03,750 --> 00:36:01,040
most to tarot cards in fact you have to

918
00:36:05,670 --> 00:36:03,760
scroll quite a bit to find the ones that

919
00:36:07,910 --> 00:36:05,680
aren't tarot cards tarot cards are the

920
00:36:10,870 --> 00:36:07,920
easiest of course because the cards tell

921
00:36:12,150 --> 00:36:10,880
a story right there on the card itself

922
00:36:15,109 --> 00:36:12,160
and i would imagine there are some

923
00:36:18,069 --> 00:36:15,119
people in tick tock land making

924
00:36:21,109 --> 00:36:18,079
probably a decent income from doing

925
00:36:22,460 --> 00:36:21,119
tarot or divining readings or other

926
00:36:24,470 --> 00:36:22,470
psychic readings

927
00:36:25,910 --> 00:36:24,480
[Music]

928
00:36:28,069 --> 00:36:25,920
and don't forget you can check out the

929
00:36:30,550 --> 00:36:28,079
skeptic zone own tiktok

930
00:36:32,750 --> 00:36:30,560
we have a series called mystic minute

931
00:36:34,710 --> 00:36:32,760
and that's easy to find you just go to

932
00:36:37,030 --> 00:36:34,720
skepticzone.tv look at the top of the

933
00:36:39,430 --> 00:36:37,040
page and there's a link to the skeptic's

934
00:36:40,550 --> 00:36:39,440
own tiktok and you can check out some of

935
00:36:42,470 --> 00:36:40,560
the uh

936
00:36:43,510 --> 00:36:42,480
the ones i've done including water

937
00:36:46,230 --> 00:36:43,520
divining

938
00:36:48,150 --> 00:36:46,240
dowsing rods and also

939
00:36:51,030 --> 00:36:48,160
amongst those is a look behind the

940
00:36:53,270 --> 00:36:51,040
scenes at how i record the skeptic's own

941
00:36:55,829 --> 00:36:53,280
podcast

942
00:36:58,230 --> 00:36:55,839
tick-tock psychics i guess you'd have to

943
00:36:59,190 --> 00:36:58,240
say it's a cultural phenomenon

944
00:37:03,400 --> 00:36:59,200
of our

945
00:37:15,990 --> 00:37:13,829
[Music]

946
00:37:18,390 --> 00:37:16,000
carrie is it oh yes hi i'm carrie i am

947
00:37:21,270 --> 00:37:18,400
psychic ross and i will be reading you

948
00:37:23,430 --> 00:37:21,280
this evening oh interesting well okay i

949
00:37:25,109 --> 00:37:23,440
co-host a podcast it's called ono ross

950
00:37:27,670 --> 00:37:25,119
and kerry yes i'm sensing that the

951
00:37:29,270 --> 00:37:27,680
spirits are telling me it is a show

952
00:37:31,670 --> 00:37:29,280
about well it's about like fringe

953
00:37:34,150 --> 00:37:31,680
science and spirituality and claims of

954
00:37:36,310 --> 00:37:34,160
the paranormal oh you knew that you do

955
00:37:39,430 --> 00:37:36,320
research online but more importantly

956
00:37:41,750 --> 00:37:39,440
like we do in-person investigations

957
00:37:43,349 --> 00:37:41,760
as well oh my god that's amazing you see

958
00:37:45,670 --> 00:37:43,359
me and my friend this is so weird my

959
00:37:47,349 --> 00:37:45,680
friend ross same name as you weird he

960
00:37:48,630 --> 00:37:47,359
and i just go and try them all out and

961
00:37:50,310 --> 00:37:48,640
actually we've gone to a number of

962
00:37:52,630 --> 00:37:50,320
psychics and to be honest with you it's

963
00:37:53,630 --> 00:37:52,640
a lot like this it's called owner ross

964
00:37:55,589 --> 00:37:53,640
and carrie they can find it at

965
00:37:59,880 --> 00:37:55,599
maximumfun.org i could have told you

966
00:38:09,750 --> 00:38:05,530
[Music]

967
00:38:15,750 --> 00:38:11,829
it's time once again to look into those

968
00:38:17,430 --> 00:38:15,760
pages at trove at trove.nla.gov.eu

969
00:38:19,510 --> 00:38:17,440
the online resource from the national

970
00:38:21,349 --> 00:38:19,520
library of australia and

971
00:38:22,230 --> 00:38:21,359
the australian government i wonder who

972
00:38:24,950 --> 00:38:22,240
it is

973
00:38:26,950 --> 00:38:24,960
i wonder what the team is like the

974
00:38:28,550 --> 00:38:26,960
team who sit down

975
00:38:29,829 --> 00:38:28,560
and digitize

976
00:38:37,030 --> 00:38:29,839
thousands

977
00:38:39,310 --> 00:38:37,040
whoever you are thank you

978
00:38:41,670 --> 00:38:39,320
it means the rest of us can go to

979
00:38:43,030 --> 00:38:41,680
trove.nla.gov you type in our search

980
00:38:45,829 --> 00:38:43,040
criteria

981
00:38:48,069 --> 00:38:45,839
and we all never know what we might find

982
00:38:49,829 --> 00:38:48,079
and this week we're going to be looking

983
00:38:51,430 --> 00:38:49,839
for the term

984
00:38:56,470 --> 00:38:51,440
unsolved

985
00:39:01,109 --> 00:38:58,710
come to think of it isn't a mystery

986
00:39:03,270 --> 00:39:01,119
unsolved by definition

987
00:39:05,430 --> 00:39:03,280
hmm

988
00:39:07,510 --> 00:39:05,440
and as i speak to you i noticed down the

989
00:39:08,950 --> 00:39:07,520
bottom of the trove page i'm looking at

990
00:39:14,150 --> 00:39:08,960
a little

991
00:39:15,670 --> 00:39:14,160
with the following funding for

992
00:39:18,950 --> 00:39:15,680
digitization

993
00:39:20,310 --> 00:39:18,960
contributed by the new south wales state

994
00:39:22,550 --> 00:39:20,320
government

995
00:39:25,270 --> 00:39:22,560
and also funding for the digitization

996
00:39:29,349 --> 00:39:25,280
contributed by the state library of new

997
00:39:31,589 --> 00:39:29,359
south wales digital exchange program

998
00:39:33,190 --> 00:39:31,599
so there you go

999
00:39:34,790 --> 00:39:33,200
and i would imagine there are similar

1000
00:39:37,910 --> 00:39:34,800
programs

1001
00:39:40,310 --> 00:39:37,920
running around the world

1002
00:39:42,630 --> 00:39:40,320
nevertheless let's have a look let's

1003
00:39:43,990 --> 00:39:42,640
have a look and see what unsolved

1004
00:39:46,550 --> 00:39:44,000
mysteries

1005
00:39:48,630 --> 00:39:46,560
are still unsolved or were

1006
00:39:50,830 --> 00:39:48,640
at least unsolved at the time of these

1007
00:39:54,710 --> 00:39:50,840
articles being written

1008
00:39:59,109 --> 00:39:57,109
and first up we have an extract from the

1009
00:40:00,870 --> 00:39:59,119
sunday times

1010
00:40:03,670 --> 00:40:00,880
on the

1011
00:40:05,990 --> 00:40:03,680
17th of january

1012
00:40:08,150 --> 00:40:06,000
1909

1013
00:40:09,430 --> 00:40:08,160
psychic wonders in melbourne

1014
00:40:11,829 --> 00:40:09,440
mystery

1015
00:40:14,470 --> 00:40:11,839
still unsolved

1016
00:40:17,430 --> 00:40:14,480
a word to the skeptics

1017
00:40:20,230 --> 00:40:17,440
the marvels of the bayley test seances

1018
00:40:22,630 --> 00:40:20,240
that take place on mr t w stanford's

1019
00:40:26,230 --> 00:40:22,640
office melbourne every friday night

1020
00:40:27,910 --> 00:40:26,240
became more and more awe-inspiring with

1021
00:40:30,309 --> 00:40:27,920
every fresh demonstration of the

1022
00:40:32,470 --> 00:40:30,319
presence of some mystic force

1023
00:40:35,190 --> 00:40:32,480
which operates for the production of

1024
00:40:36,470 --> 00:40:35,200
these wonders and one of the strangest

1025
00:40:38,390 --> 00:40:36,480
phases

1026
00:40:42,309 --> 00:40:38,400
of the whole thing

1027
00:40:44,710 --> 00:40:42,319
is the persistent skepticism of so many

1028
00:40:47,030 --> 00:40:44,720
people in regard to the phenomena even

1029
00:40:49,750 --> 00:40:47,040
among the sitters themselves who have

1030
00:40:52,710 --> 00:40:49,760
attended several meetings or seances

1031
00:40:55,430 --> 00:40:52,720
maybe found an occasional

1032
00:40:59,109 --> 00:40:55,440
doubter although the evidence of one's

1033
00:41:01,190 --> 00:40:59,119
own senses makes it abundantly clear

1034
00:41:02,710 --> 00:41:01,200
that collusion is an absolute

1035
00:41:04,870 --> 00:41:02,720
impossibility

1036
00:41:07,190 --> 00:41:04,880
for how could it be possible for the

1037
00:41:08,550 --> 00:41:07,200
medium to accomplish these seeming

1038
00:41:13,030 --> 00:41:08,560
miracles

1039
00:41:15,510 --> 00:41:13,040
closely guarded as he is from 25 to 30

1040
00:41:18,069 --> 00:41:15,520
investigators each one determined that

1041
00:41:19,589 --> 00:41:18,079
there shall be no loophole

1042
00:41:22,150 --> 00:41:19,599
for fraud

1043
00:41:25,270 --> 00:41:22,160
the medium has no accomplice or personal

1044
00:41:27,750 --> 00:41:25,280
friends among the sitters albeit they

1045
00:41:30,870 --> 00:41:27,760
all respect him for his simplicity of

1046
00:41:32,950 --> 00:41:30,880
manner his unobtrusiveness and his

1047
00:41:36,550 --> 00:41:32,960
evident failure to realize what a

1048
00:41:38,150 --> 00:41:36,560
wonderfully endowed man he is

1049
00:41:41,430 --> 00:41:38,160
endowed with that

1050
00:41:43,270 --> 00:41:41,440
a secret and psychic power no doubt

1051
00:41:44,150 --> 00:41:43,280
no doubt

1052
00:41:46,950 --> 00:41:44,160
the

1053
00:41:49,030 --> 00:41:46,960
quote occasional doubter in quote above

1054
00:41:53,030 --> 00:41:49,040
referred to has plenty of opportunity to

1055
00:41:55,829 --> 00:41:53,040
study the man in his normal state and

1056
00:41:58,550 --> 00:41:55,839
learn in conversation with him prior to

1057
00:41:59,910 --> 00:41:58,560
his going into trance that his

1058
00:42:04,790 --> 00:41:59,920
simplicity

1059
00:42:06,870 --> 00:42:04,800
is not assumed but genuine and after

1060
00:42:09,829 --> 00:42:06,880
coming out of trance

1061
00:42:11,910 --> 00:42:09,839
that he is as mystified at his own

1062
00:42:13,829 --> 00:42:11,920
doings as any of those who have

1063
00:42:17,030 --> 00:42:13,839
witnessed them

1064
00:42:18,390 --> 00:42:17,040
indeed he is more astonished apparently

1065
00:42:20,790 --> 00:42:18,400
than the siddhis

1066
00:42:22,790 --> 00:42:20,800
for all he seems to know on emerging

1067
00:42:24,230 --> 00:42:22,800
from unconsciousness at the end of an

1068
00:42:25,750 --> 00:42:24,240
hour and a half

1069
00:42:29,510 --> 00:42:25,760
is that

1070
00:42:31,349 --> 00:42:29,520
there are strange articles about him and

1071
00:42:32,069 --> 00:42:31,359
he accepts the assurance of the meeting

1072
00:42:35,270 --> 00:42:32,079
that

1073
00:42:38,390 --> 00:42:35,280
the spirits brought them

1074
00:42:40,309 --> 00:42:38,400
using his body as if it were their own

1075
00:42:42,790 --> 00:42:40,319
for the purpose of accomplishing these

1076
00:42:45,270 --> 00:42:42,800
apparently impossible feats

1077
00:42:46,950 --> 00:42:45,280
the only way one can account for the

1078
00:42:49,510 --> 00:42:46,960
semi-skepticism

1079
00:42:52,069 --> 00:42:49,520
or shall we call it stubborn and

1080
00:42:55,270 --> 00:42:52,079
unthinking doubts

1081
00:42:58,630 --> 00:42:55,280
of those who witness the wonders

1082
00:43:02,670 --> 00:42:58,640
and yet hinted fraud is by concluding

1083
00:43:05,910 --> 00:43:02,680
that their minds are unable to grasp the

1084
00:43:06,870 --> 00:43:05,920
vastitude of the subject of psychic

1085
00:43:09,109 --> 00:43:06,880
force

1086
00:43:12,550 --> 00:43:09,119
and in their bewilderment they hit a

1087
00:43:15,430 --> 00:43:12,560
collusion for want of some other way to

1088
00:43:20,870 --> 00:43:15,440
explain what they have just witnessed

1089
00:43:22,230 --> 00:43:20,880
when was this from 1909 hmm okay

1090
00:43:29,190 --> 00:43:22,240
it reads

1091
00:43:31,190 --> 00:43:29,200
uh routine mentalism act it really does

1092
00:43:32,870 --> 00:43:31,200
and of course i need not remind you that

1093
00:43:35,670 --> 00:43:32,880
the um

1094
00:43:37,670 --> 00:43:35,680
the objective of a good magic trick

1095
00:43:39,510 --> 00:43:37,680
conjuring mentalism

1096
00:43:42,390 --> 00:43:39,520
is to bewilder the audience and have

1097
00:43:44,069 --> 00:43:42,400
them left with no way to explain

1098
00:43:46,390 --> 00:43:44,079
what has just happened

1099
00:43:50,470 --> 00:43:46,400
we read on and i'll just make the note

1100
00:43:52,870 --> 00:43:50,480
here that the type is not very clear so

1101
00:43:54,870 --> 00:43:52,880
if i hesitate every now and then

1102
00:43:56,710 --> 00:43:54,880
it's because the um

1103
00:43:59,030 --> 00:43:56,720
some of the letters aren't very well

1104
00:44:01,670 --> 00:43:59,040
formed on the page on this point it may

1105
00:44:04,710 --> 00:44:01,680
be observed and it is not unduly

1106
00:44:06,870 --> 00:44:04,720
dogmatic to say so that if mr bailey

1107
00:44:10,710 --> 00:44:06,880
could accomplish what he does by

1108
00:44:11,750 --> 00:44:10,720
trickery or by the arts of the skilled

1109
00:44:14,390 --> 00:44:11,760
magician

1110
00:44:17,349 --> 00:44:14,400
he could command the largest salary yet

1111
00:44:19,910 --> 00:44:17,359
paid by the vulnerable or curious

1112
00:44:20,870 --> 00:44:19,920
director of any similar artist in the

1113
00:44:23,190 --> 00:44:20,880
world

1114
00:44:27,109 --> 00:44:23,200
whereas a comparatively small weekly fee

1115
00:44:30,230 --> 00:44:27,119
suffices for his remuneration and he is

1116
00:44:32,390 --> 00:44:30,240
a humble living poor man who makes less

1117
00:44:35,589 --> 00:44:32,400
money for producing these marvels than

1118
00:44:38,710 --> 00:44:35,599
can be earned by a good clerk

1119
00:44:41,109 --> 00:44:38,720
in a merchant's office i only wish i

1120
00:44:42,550 --> 00:44:41,119
could do it on stage by trickery the

1121
00:44:46,230 --> 00:44:42,560
medium says

1122
00:44:49,510 --> 00:44:46,240
when it is suggested that he is clever

1123
00:44:51,750 --> 00:44:49,520
and a conjurer for if i could i'd make

1124
00:44:53,670 --> 00:44:51,760
more money than i do at present

1125
00:44:55,670 --> 00:44:53,680
a common sense commercial estimate of

1126
00:44:59,030 --> 00:44:55,680
the case suggests that mr bailey is not

1127
00:45:01,829 --> 00:44:59,040
a cundra for a man who could fool

1128
00:45:03,750 --> 00:45:01,839
from 20 to 30 sitters night after night

1129
00:45:07,030 --> 00:45:03,760
most of these having attended the

1130
00:45:07,990 --> 00:45:07,040
seances regularly for four or five years

1131
00:45:10,710 --> 00:45:08,000
a man

1132
00:45:13,510 --> 00:45:10,720
who could produce live birds in cages

1133
00:45:17,829 --> 00:45:13,520
and nests as well as weird looking

1134
00:45:21,349 --> 00:45:17,839
garments flowers lumps of damp clay etc

1135
00:45:23,750 --> 00:45:21,359
within a locked and sealed cage

1136
00:45:26,470 --> 00:45:23,760
and to do it by trickery would be more

1137
00:45:27,670 --> 00:45:26,480
marvelous if possible than mr bailey

1138
00:45:29,990 --> 00:45:27,680
really is

1139
00:45:33,109 --> 00:45:30,000
there is much excuse for the skepticism

1140
00:45:34,390 --> 00:45:33,119
of the many who have not attended these

1141
00:45:37,270 --> 00:45:34,400
seances

1142
00:45:39,670 --> 00:45:37,280
for they have but hearsay evidence to

1143
00:45:42,069 --> 00:45:39,680
base their judgment upon and it is

1144
00:45:45,109 --> 00:45:42,079
almost impossible for any person to

1145
00:45:46,790 --> 00:45:45,119
believe that such things can be

1146
00:45:49,910 --> 00:45:46,800
when they argue that the sitters are

1147
00:45:52,390 --> 00:45:49,920
hypnotized and only think

1148
00:45:54,790 --> 00:45:52,400
they see these wonders accomplished they

1149
00:45:58,829 --> 00:45:54,800
still shake their heads when told that

1150
00:46:00,950 --> 00:45:58,839
quote the articles brought are now in mr

1151
00:46:02,150 --> 00:46:00,960
stanford's possession

1152
00:46:04,550 --> 00:46:02,160
end quote

1153
00:46:07,829 --> 00:46:04,560
and that the birds are living and

1154
00:46:08,630 --> 00:46:07,839
thriving in his avery in east melbourne

1155
00:46:11,670 --> 00:46:08,640
and

1156
00:46:13,109 --> 00:46:11,680
who can condemn them for

1157
00:46:17,109 --> 00:46:13,119
dubiousness

1158
00:46:20,230 --> 00:46:17,119
when they contend that there must

1159
00:46:22,790 --> 00:46:20,240
be fraud somewhere they are not shaken

1160
00:46:25,829 --> 00:46:22,800
in this opinion when informed that

1161
00:46:28,309 --> 00:46:25,839
locked doors close searchings and

1162
00:46:30,069 --> 00:46:28,319
unrelenting watchfulness by scores of

1163
00:46:32,550 --> 00:46:30,079
pairs of eyes

1164
00:46:35,589 --> 00:46:32,560
make fraud impossible and when they say

1165
00:46:37,829 --> 00:46:35,599
with simple sapiency ah but the things

1166
00:46:39,109 --> 00:46:37,839
are brought during a period of absolute

1167
00:46:40,790 --> 00:46:39,119
darkness

1168
00:46:42,710 --> 00:46:40,800
they do so

1169
00:46:46,710 --> 00:46:42,720
in a tone of triumph

1170
00:46:48,950 --> 00:46:46,720
as if to add i reckon i've got you there

1171
00:46:50,870 --> 00:46:48,960
but it is not so

1172
00:46:53,030 --> 00:46:50,880
they really have not put their finger on

1173
00:46:55,270 --> 00:46:53,040
it so firmly and convincingly as they

1174
00:46:57,829 --> 00:46:55,280
imagine for mere darkness for two

1175
00:47:00,470 --> 00:46:57,839
minutes does not unlock a door when the

1176
00:47:02,630 --> 00:47:00,480
key is in the pocket of a sitter who on

1177
00:47:04,550 --> 00:47:02,640
the last three occasions was a world

1178
00:47:08,470 --> 00:47:04,560
tourist who remained in melbourne for a

1179
00:47:10,790 --> 00:47:08,480
month to investigate this matter having

1180
00:47:12,230 --> 00:47:10,800
been asked to do so by scientific

1181
00:47:15,510 --> 00:47:12,240
friends in america

1182
00:47:17,990 --> 00:47:15,520
and cautioned to take nothing on trust

1183
00:47:20,630 --> 00:47:18,000
nor does more darkness for two minutes

1184
00:47:23,270 --> 00:47:20,640
pass a live bird sitting on a nest

1185
00:47:24,390 --> 00:47:23,280
through the mosquito netting

1186
00:47:27,990 --> 00:47:24,400
slides

1187
00:47:30,630 --> 00:47:28,000
of the cage nor enable the cleverest

1188
00:47:32,790 --> 00:47:30,640
i'll stop here to say the next word is

1189
00:47:34,870 --> 00:47:32,800
not clear it could be sharper which

1190
00:47:37,270 --> 00:47:34,880
might be the term

1191
00:47:39,190 --> 00:47:37,280
of those days it's not shopper

1192
00:47:43,190 --> 00:47:39,200
forgive me i can't quite make out the

1193
00:47:45,270 --> 00:47:43,200
word or enable the cleverest something

1194
00:47:46,950 --> 00:47:45,280
to extract them from some place of

1195
00:47:49,829 --> 00:47:46,960
concealment

1196
00:47:51,510 --> 00:47:49,839
in his pockets or elsewhere if a nest

1197
00:47:52,790 --> 00:47:51,520
could recover from the crushing

1198
00:47:55,510 --> 00:47:52,800
inevitable

1199
00:47:59,190 --> 00:47:55,520
to such method a bird certainly could

1200
00:48:03,270 --> 00:47:59,200
not live through the ordeal indeed the

1201
00:48:04,710 --> 00:48:03,280
explanations offered by the skeptics are

1202
00:48:08,150 --> 00:48:04,720
ridiculous

1203
00:48:11,990 --> 00:48:08,160
some of the methods suggested being as

1204
00:48:14,549 --> 00:48:12,000
absurd and impossible in the estimation

1205
00:48:17,829 --> 00:48:14,559
of those who have studied the question

1206
00:48:21,670 --> 00:48:17,839
as does the theory of psychic phenomena

1207
00:48:24,230 --> 00:48:21,680
appear to the skeptics themselves there

1208
00:48:25,589 --> 00:48:24,240
is a huge mystery somewhere

1209
00:48:28,069 --> 00:48:25,599
what is it

1210
00:48:29,510 --> 00:48:28,079
melbourne representative of the sunday

1211
00:48:31,510 --> 00:48:29,520
times

1212
00:48:33,829 --> 00:48:31,520
and i think especially

1213
00:48:36,470 --> 00:48:33,839
mentalists and magicians listening to

1214
00:48:41,589 --> 00:48:39,270
have a chuckle as i do but what is being

1215
00:48:43,829 --> 00:48:41,599
reported here is exactly what a magician

1216
00:48:47,270 --> 00:48:43,839
or mentalist has set out to do

1217
00:48:48,630 --> 00:48:47,280
is to create such confusion and mystery

1218
00:48:50,309 --> 00:48:48,640
and mysticism

1219
00:48:52,390 --> 00:48:50,319
that people are forced to leap to the

1220
00:48:55,349 --> 00:48:52,400
wrong conclusions

1221
00:48:57,349 --> 00:48:55,359
now let's see okay here we are in the

1222
00:48:58,630 --> 00:48:57,359
pages of the herald from melbourne

1223
00:49:03,109 --> 00:48:58,640
victoria

1224
00:49:05,030 --> 00:49:03,119
dated the 1st of march 1924

1225
00:49:07,990 --> 00:49:05,040
girl detective

1226
00:49:09,750 --> 00:49:08,000
psychic investigation herald special

1227
00:49:13,109 --> 00:49:09,760
representative

1228
00:49:17,190 --> 00:49:13,119
new york february 29 an 18 year old

1229
00:49:19,910 --> 00:49:17,200
schoolgirl psychic named eugenie dennins

1230
00:49:22,390 --> 00:49:19,920
has amazed the police by her revelations

1231
00:49:24,309 --> 00:49:22,400
concerning mysterious crimes

1232
00:49:27,910 --> 00:49:24,319
when given the bare outline of the

1233
00:49:31,910 --> 00:49:27,920
circumstances she related the detailed

1234
00:49:34,150 --> 00:49:31,920
history of the cases giving the names of

1235
00:49:36,390 --> 00:49:34,160
the persons suspected

1236
00:49:40,309 --> 00:49:36,400
many of her theories were surprisingly

1237
00:49:41,910 --> 00:49:40,319
correct the police state that 75 of her

1238
00:49:43,109 --> 00:49:41,920
answers corresponded to their

1239
00:49:45,910 --> 00:49:43,119
information

1240
00:49:48,309 --> 00:49:45,920
much of which was never published the

1241
00:49:49,990 --> 00:49:48,319
examination lasted several hours the

1242
00:49:52,309 --> 00:49:50,000
girl replying to questions

1243
00:49:54,710 --> 00:49:52,319
unhesitatingly police commissioner

1244
00:49:58,870 --> 00:49:54,720
ferret accepted the girl's offer to

1245
00:50:01,349 --> 00:49:58,880
attempt to elucidate unsolved crimes

1246
00:50:03,510 --> 00:50:01,359
and finally from the northern star

1247
00:50:06,870 --> 00:50:03,520
published in lismore new south wales on

1248
00:50:10,309 --> 00:50:06,880
the 13th of march 1939

1249
00:50:13,190 --> 00:50:10,319
ballina acquires a ghost

1250
00:50:16,870 --> 00:50:13,200
and ballina being a coastal

1251
00:50:18,790 --> 00:50:16,880
at coastal uh town in the north part of

1252
00:50:20,710 --> 00:50:18,800
new south wales

1253
00:50:22,230 --> 00:50:20,720
baliner sunday

1254
00:50:23,670 --> 00:50:22,240
ballon is a ghost

1255
00:50:26,549 --> 00:50:23,680
has walked

1256
00:50:30,390 --> 00:50:26,559
no ordinary ghost this but one endowed

1257
00:50:32,710 --> 00:50:30,400
with ethereal transience and at the same

1258
00:50:34,710 --> 00:50:32,720
time possessing power to knock over an

1259
00:50:37,589 --> 00:50:34,720
18 stone man

1260
00:50:39,750 --> 00:50:37,599
and strike terror into the hearts of

1261
00:50:42,710 --> 00:50:39,760
nearly 30 people

1262
00:50:45,349 --> 00:50:42,720
the debut of the supernatural visitant

1263
00:50:47,829 --> 00:50:45,359
and ballina coincided with the

1264
00:50:50,390 --> 00:50:47,839
encampment of a contingent in the

1265
00:50:53,270 --> 00:50:50,400
colorful costumes of gypsies

1266
00:50:55,750 --> 00:50:53,280
their caravans comprise three of the

1267
00:50:58,309 --> 00:50:55,760
most modern cars

1268
00:50:59,109 --> 00:50:58,319
feeling secure in river street and with

1269
00:51:01,589 --> 00:50:59,119
his

1270
00:51:04,150 --> 00:51:01,599
band sleeping peacefully in the cars

1271
00:51:07,510 --> 00:51:04,160
believing that no ghost had walked upon

1272
00:51:09,430 --> 00:51:07,520
the state highway the leader related a

1273
00:51:11,589 --> 00:51:09,440
remarkable story

1274
00:51:14,309 --> 00:51:11,599
the party arrived from cool and gatter

1275
00:51:17,270 --> 00:51:14,319
shortly after 5 pm yesterday

1276
00:51:19,430 --> 00:51:17,280
and after making purchases in the town

1277
00:51:21,750 --> 00:51:19,440
commenced to make camp near the ballon

1278
00:51:24,630 --> 00:51:21,760
abarths the atmosphere proved their

1279
00:51:27,829 --> 00:51:24,640
contentment with their lot as wanderers

1280
00:51:30,790 --> 00:51:27,839
as the children played unconcernedly

1281
00:51:33,910 --> 00:51:30,800
about the camp and fires where their

1282
00:51:36,470 --> 00:51:33,920
mothers sang as they prepared the meal

1283
00:51:37,589 --> 00:51:36,480
from out of the void

1284
00:51:40,230 --> 00:51:37,599
suddenly

1285
00:51:42,950 --> 00:51:40,240
from out of the dark of the evening a

1286
00:51:46,069 --> 00:51:42,960
wraith-like figure appeared

1287
00:51:49,430 --> 00:51:46,079
it lacked substance but approached with

1288
00:51:52,549 --> 00:51:49,440
a material purpose in ghostly steps that

1289
00:51:54,790 --> 00:51:52,559
glided over the ground without a sound

1290
00:51:57,990 --> 00:51:54,800
over six feet in height with the white

1291
00:51:59,349 --> 00:51:58,000
transparency of the arms showing clearly

1292
00:52:02,069 --> 00:51:59,359
against the night

1293
00:52:05,829 --> 00:52:02,079
large white eyes and drooping white

1294
00:52:07,910 --> 00:52:05,839
mouth the ghost approached the camp

1295
00:52:09,589 --> 00:52:07,920
children screamed and ran for the

1296
00:52:11,349 --> 00:52:09,599
protection of their mothers who had

1297
00:52:14,790 --> 00:52:11,359
stopped singing as their leaders

1298
00:52:19,510 --> 00:52:14,800
challenged stop for god's sake stop who

1299
00:52:20,470 --> 00:52:19,520
are you stop or i'll fire was called

1300
00:52:23,270 --> 00:52:20,480
still

1301
00:52:24,470 --> 00:52:23,280
the figure approached and added the

1302
00:52:27,030 --> 00:52:24,480
leader

1303
00:52:31,030 --> 00:52:27,040
my brother joseph fell to the ground no

1304
00:52:33,190 --> 00:52:31,040
hits but just like a puff of wind and he

1305
00:52:35,829 --> 00:52:33,200
fell and rolled over three times while

1306
00:52:36,870 --> 00:52:35,839
the ghost passed over him the camp was

1307
00:52:39,349 --> 00:52:36,880
broken

1308
00:52:41,829 --> 00:52:39,359
and thoroughly terrified the gypsies

1309
00:52:43,349 --> 00:52:41,839
moved their cars to the bright lighting

1310
00:52:46,549 --> 00:52:43,359
of river street

1311
00:52:48,710 --> 00:52:46,559
and the women completed the preparation

1312
00:52:50,230 --> 00:52:48,720
of the half-cooked meal

1313
00:52:52,309 --> 00:52:50,240
over the stove

1314
00:52:54,790 --> 00:52:52,319
of a cafe

1315
00:52:57,270 --> 00:52:54,800
never return

1316
00:52:59,670 --> 00:52:57,280
children continued to cry but were soon

1317
00:53:01,589 --> 00:52:59,680
comforted and the party slept in the

1318
00:53:04,549 --> 00:53:01,599
cars until this morning

1319
00:53:06,549 --> 00:53:04,559
content with the assurance of the police

1320
00:53:10,230 --> 00:53:06,559
that the patrol of the streets would

1321
00:53:12,630 --> 00:53:10,240
prevent the appearance of further ghosts

1322
00:53:15,270 --> 00:53:12,640
the leader stated that he had never

1323
00:53:17,750 --> 00:53:15,280
believed in ghosts before last night

1324
00:53:19,829 --> 00:53:17,760
a proposal to turn to the scene met with

1325
00:53:23,349 --> 00:53:19,839
an emphatic refusal

1326
00:53:26,150 --> 00:53:23,359
the ghost is there and the land is bad

1327
00:53:27,190 --> 00:53:26,160
he will knock you over and roll you in

1328
00:53:29,430 --> 00:53:27,200
the river

1329
00:53:32,230 --> 00:53:29,440
it is the ghost of some person who has

1330
00:53:34,950 --> 00:53:32,240
been drowned he said

1331
00:53:35,910 --> 00:53:34,960
the mystery of the sudden fright of the

1332
00:53:37,270 --> 00:53:35,920
band

1333
00:53:38,790 --> 00:53:37,280
is still

1334
00:53:39,829 --> 00:53:38,800
unsolved

1335
00:53:41,190 --> 00:53:39,839
who

1336
00:53:46,630 --> 00:53:41,200
or what

1337
00:53:52,870 --> 00:53:49,750
ghostly tale a ghostly tale to win

1338
00:53:55,349 --> 00:53:52,880
this segment of trove

1339
00:53:57,190 --> 00:53:55,359
unsolved mysteries

1340
00:54:00,150 --> 00:53:57,200
i wonder if people in ballina still

1341
00:54:01,670 --> 00:54:00,160
remember or have heard about that story

1342
00:54:03,589 --> 00:54:01,680
the ballina ghost

1343
00:54:04,710 --> 00:54:03,599
scaring a band of

1344
00:54:07,589 --> 00:54:04,720
gypsies

1345
00:54:10,470 --> 00:54:07,599
were

1346
00:54:12,710 --> 00:54:10,480
traveling folk

1347
00:54:15,109 --> 00:54:12,720
i wonder

1348
00:54:17,109 --> 00:54:15,119
and i also wonder what we'll find next

1349
00:54:19,190 --> 00:54:17,119
week when we dive into the trove the

1350
00:54:20,309 --> 00:54:19,200
treasure trove of information

1351
00:54:21,670 --> 00:54:20,319
available

1352
00:54:22,710 --> 00:54:21,680
online

1353
00:54:25,850 --> 00:54:22,720
because

1354
00:54:34,730 --> 00:54:25,860
you never know what you might find

1355
00:54:34,740 --> 00:54:46,390
[Music]

1356
00:54:49,670 --> 00:54:47,990
thank you for listening to the skeptic

1357
00:54:52,390 --> 00:54:49,680
zone this week and thank you very much

1358
00:54:54,789 --> 00:54:52,400
to adrian hill for that report

1359
00:54:57,109 --> 00:54:54,799
i hope you enjoy being a

1360
00:54:59,109 --> 00:54:57,119
an interviewer adrian

1361
00:55:01,349 --> 00:54:59,119
it can be very rewarding

1362
00:55:03,829 --> 00:55:01,359
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1363
00:55:05,910 --> 00:55:03,839
the australian skeptics newsletter

1364
00:55:07,589 --> 00:55:05,920
hopefully written by tim tim if you're

1365
00:55:10,710 --> 00:55:07,599
listening we can't wait to read the

1366
00:55:13,109 --> 00:55:10,720
newsletter every other week and trove

1367
00:55:14,789 --> 00:55:13,119
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1368
00:55:17,829 --> 00:55:14,799
so-called

1369
00:55:19,430 --> 00:55:17,839
psychic detectives in the united states

1370
00:55:22,230 --> 00:55:19,440
and i can tell you i've got a lot of

1371
00:55:24,870 --> 00:55:22,240
trove lined up for the next month or so

1372
00:55:27,109 --> 00:55:24,880
including subjects like james randy

1373
00:55:28,870 --> 00:55:27,119
dowsing for students

1374
00:55:31,510 --> 00:55:28,880
astrology

1375
00:55:34,870 --> 00:55:31,520
psychic scams

1376
00:55:36,710 --> 00:55:34,880
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1377
00:55:38,950 --> 00:55:36,720
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buying some nice new audio equipment i

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can use for recording field recording i

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think specifically

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but for this week with the uh

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with the early birds chirping out the

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window i don't know if you can hear them

1409
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i've got up particularly early today to

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record the skeptic zone to avoid noises

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outside traffic

1412
00:56:53,910 --> 00:56:51,760
aircraft and birds and i've almost done

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it almost gotten away with it but for

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this week

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almost one day that soundproof studio

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with rubber walls will be mine

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this is richard saunders signing off

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you've been listening to the skeptic

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1421
00:57:24,390 --> 00:57:22,240
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1422
00:57:26,390 --> 00:57:24,400
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00:57:29,109 --> 00:57:26,400
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1424
00:57:31,270 --> 00:57:29,119
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1425
00:57:33,510 --> 00:57:31,280
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1426
00:57:35,589 --> 00:57:33,520
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1427
00:57:38,870 --> 00:57:35,599
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1428
00:57:41,990 --> 00:57:38,880
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1429
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1430
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the views and opinions expressed on the

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skeptic zone are not necessarily those

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00:58:02,390 --> 00:57:48,640
of australian skeptics or any other

1433
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hello to those people who keep listening

1434
00:58:09,270 --> 00:58:06,640
after the music normally we roll a dice

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or die and you guess what number comes

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up

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uh but lately we've been using a deck of

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cards

1439
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they're interesting ones they're from

1440
00:58:23,270 --> 00:58:20,480
the bike bicycle company

1441
00:58:24,789 --> 00:58:23,280
air cushioned finish made in the usa i

1442
00:58:27,190 --> 00:58:24,799
like bike carts they're the choice of

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00:58:29,510 --> 00:58:27,200
many magicians from around the world

1444
00:58:30,789 --> 00:58:29,520
and these are a uh particularly

1445
00:58:33,670 --> 00:58:30,799
interesting set i've got quite a

1446
00:58:36,710 --> 00:58:33,680
collection these are large print

1447
00:58:38,549 --> 00:58:36,720
large print bike cards so for maybe

1448
00:58:40,549 --> 00:58:38,559
visually impaired people

1449
00:58:41,829 --> 00:58:40,559
it's just one of the cards decks of

1450
00:58:43,589 --> 00:58:41,839
cards in my collection i'm going to

1451
00:58:45,910 --> 00:58:43,599
shuffle this deck

1452
00:58:48,789 --> 00:58:45,920
as you can hear

1453
00:58:50,789 --> 00:58:48,799
and i'll stop and it's up to you to use

1454
00:58:51,750 --> 00:58:50,799
your psychic mystical powers or dumb

1455
00:58:55,750 --> 00:58:51,760
luck

1456
00:58:58,069 --> 00:58:55,760
and see if you can

1457
00:59:01,030 --> 00:58:58,079
divine or guess what card

1458
00:59:02,829 --> 00:59:01,040
is revealed so here we go

1459
00:59:05,910 --> 00:59:02,839
the first card today

1460
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is the three of spades

1461
00:59:10,549 --> 00:59:08,240
the three of spades all right that goes

1462
00:59:13,990 --> 00:59:10,559
back into the deck i wonder if anybody

1463
00:59:18,230 --> 00:59:16,710
next one is

1464
00:59:19,670 --> 00:59:18,240
the queen of clubs okay we've got a

1465
00:59:21,829 --> 00:59:19,680
spades and a clubs

1466
00:59:23,670 --> 00:59:21,839
a three and a queen so far queen of

1467
00:59:26,230 --> 00:59:23,680
clubs goes back into the deck and one

1468
00:59:27,680 --> 00:59:26,240
more one more

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last card

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[Music]

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here it comes